> ## Content Index > Fetch the complete content index at: https://www.thedigitalspeaker.com/llms.txt > Use this file to discover other available public pages before exploring further. # EP05 - Between Two Bots with Gary Bolles - URL: https://www.thedigitalspeaker.com/ep05-between-two-bots-gary-bolles/ - Published: 2021-12-16T09:44:47.000Z - Updated: 2026-07-28T07:12:41.000Z - Description: Welcome to the Between Two Bots podcast, where we discuss the cultural, technological and ethical implications of AI, this week with Gary Bolles, author of The Next Rules of Work. - Author: Dr Mark van Rijmenam, CSP - Tags: #podcast, Between Two Bots BTB EP5 0:00 /2726.13875 1× - [ ![Amazon](https://www.thedigitalspeaker.com/assets/images/podcast-logo/02-Amazon-music.webp) ](https://music.amazon.com.au/podcasts/b0b3eb17-eefb-48d1-bb34-16f5b67708f9/episodes/17961b09-dbf9-4d20-b023-20ef028395bf/between-two-bots-ep05---between-two-bots-with-gary-bolles?ref=thedigitalspeaker.com "Amazon") - [ ![Google Podcast](https://www.thedigitalspeaker.com/assets/images/podcast-logo/08-Google-podcast-logo.webp) ](https://podcasts.google.com/u/3/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5zaW1wbGVjYXN0LmNvbS85M3VGMnFfeg/episode/YTJmZGU3YjYtZTllMC00MGU2LWE2NTYtYTU2MjJlZTMwMDRm?sa=X&ved=0CAUQkfYCahcKEwio%5Faf5uqH3AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ&ref=thedigitalspeaker.com "Google Podcast") - [ ![iHeartRadio](https://www.thedigitalspeaker.com/assets/images/podcast-logo/09-iheart-radio-logo.webp) ](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-between-two-bots-90092792/episode/ep05-between-two-bots-with-90559847/?ref=thedigitalspeaker.com "iHeartRadio") - [ ![Pocket Casts](https://www.thedigitalspeaker.com/assets/images/podcast-logo/10-pocket-cast-logo.webp) ](https://pca.st/2uaq9sx5?ref=thedigitalspeaker.com "Pocket Casts") - [ ![RadioPublic](https://www.thedigitalspeaker.com/assets/images/podcast-logo/13-Radio-Public-logo.webp) ](https://radiopublic.com/between-two-bots-Wzm9KK/s1!adfbc?ref=thedigitalspeaker.com "RadioPublic") - [ ![Spotify](https://www.thedigitalspeaker.com/assets/images/podcast-logo/14-Spotify-logo.webp) ](https://open.spotify.com/episode/2Zap9BeqOVEbfUpYS3xHuS?si=xF7LsteWRyiQ1J86WjDSeQ&ref=thedigitalspeaker.com "Spotify") - [ ![Player.FM](https://www.thedigitalspeaker.com/assets/images/podcast-logo/19-Player-FM-logo.webp) ](https://player.fm/series/between-two-bots/ep05-between-two-bots-with-gary-bolles?ref=thedigitalspeaker.com "Player.FM") - [ ![SimpleCast](https://www.thedigitalspeaker.com/assets/images/podcast-logo/25-Simplecast-logo.webp) ](https://between-two-bots.simplecast.com/episodes/ep05-gary-bolles?ref=thedigitalspeaker.com "castbox") - [ ![Vimeo](https://www.thedigitalspeaker.com/assets/images/podcast-logo/22-Vimeo-logo.webp) ](https://vimeo.com/showcase/9008244/video/657300390?ref=thedigitalspeaker.com "Vimeo") - [ ![YouTube](https://www.thedigitalspeaker.com/assets/images/podcast-logo/23-YouTube-logo.webp) ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syJ0HoYejls&list=PLIKcqesdtWxDtBbpV-oA75%5FnUH9xUJqSc&index=5&ref=thedigitalspeaker.com "YouTube") Welcome to the Between Two Bots podcast. In this podcast, we discuss the cultural, technological and ethical implications of [artificial intelligence](https://www.thedigitalspeaker.com/ai-speaker/) and AI-based decisions. A discussion that is so important to have as it affects us all. Especially now, that our relationship with machines is changing as we move from human to human, to human to machine, to machine to machine interactions. AI becomes more pervasive and has a bigger impact on how we live and how and the work that we do. This week's guest is Gary Bolles. Gary leads Lead Singularity University's activities related to the shift to a digital work economy, helping individuals, organizations, and government agencies to navigate disruptive change. A frequent lecturer on the future of work and the future of learning, Gary is the author of "The Next Rules of Work". Podcast notes: Gary Bolles: [https://www.linkedin.com/in/gbolles/](https://www.linkedin.com/in/gbolles/?ref=thedigitalspeaker.com) 3 weekly articles: 1. Mark Zuckerberg’s metaverse may be as privacy flawed as Facebook - [https://fortune.com/2021/10/29/mark-zuckerberg-metaverse-privacy-facebook-meta/](https://fortune.com/2021/10/29/mark-zuckerberg-metaverse-privacy-facebook-meta/?ref=thedigitalspeaker.com) 2. What we’re getting wrong about The Great Resignation - [https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20211028-what-were-getting-wrong-about-the-great-resignation](https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20211028-what-were-getting-wrong-about-the-great-resignation?ref=thedigitalspeaker.com) 3. AI and human rights - a different take on an old debate - [https://diginomica.com/ai-and-human-rights-different-take-old-debate](https://diginomica.com/ai-and-human-rights-different-take-old-debate?ref=thedigitalspeaker.com) Gary Bolles's book: The Next Rules of Work: [https://amzn.to/3F12t5N](https://amzn.to/3F12t5N?ref=thedigitalspeaker.com) For more information visit [https://BetweenTwoBots.com](https://betweentwobots.com/?ref=thedigitalspeaker.com) Or you can listen to the audio version using your favourite podcast platform.