EP04 - Between Two Bots with David Shrier
EP04 - Between Two Bots with David Shrier
Welcome to the Between Two Bots podcast. This is the podcast where we talk about the future of humanity, society, and government all as seen through the lens of your data, your privacy, and the ethics of AI. This is a conversation we need to be having now. Every week, we are redefining the boundaries between AI ethics, data and ways humans coexist with machines. Listen here each week, to learn from experts who are on the frontlines defining how will work and live for decades ahead.
This week's guest is David Shrier. David Shrier is CEO and co-founder of Esme Learning, an AI-powered digital learning platform. He is a leading AI futurist who has driven $9 billion worth of technology initiatives for Fortune 1000 companies and private equity. Shrier currently holds an appointment as Professor of Practice (AI and Innovation) at Imperial College Business School, and he is a former MIT New Ventures Officer and lecturer at the MIT Media Lab and he recently founded and an AI ethics institute.
Podcast notes:
David Shrier: LinkedIn
3 weekly articles:
1. Artificial Intelligence: the global landscape of ethics guidelines
2. Why AI-powered EdTech is the future of life-long learning
3. The Ethics of Artificial Intelligence (AI)
David Shrier's book: Augmenting Your Career: How to Win at Work In the Age of AI
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Dr. Mark van Rijmenam
Dr. Mark van Rijmenam is The Digital Speaker, a world-leading futurist and global AI keynote speaker who helps leaders decide what AI, and the technologies that follow it, mean for their business. He speaks to leadership teams at their retreats and to conference audiences worldwide, and his WAVE framework gives them a way of deciding that they keep using long after he has left the room. His Intelligence Age Scorecard measures how ready an organization is across the four WAVE pillars.
He holds a PhD from the University of Technology Sydney, is a Certified Speaking Professional and Global Speaking Fellow, and ranks among the world’s top futurists on the Global Gurus list (#1 in 2025, #3 in 2026). Salesforce named him one of its 16 leading AI voices. He has written six books, most recently Now What? How to Ride the Tsunami of Change, writes the Synthetic Minds newsletter on Substack, and founded Futurwise. Talk to his digital twin on WhatsApp: +1 (830) 463-6967.
